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Mu husband and daughter and I are (1.00 / 1)

voting for Nader if BO is the Dem candidate.

Just saying.


by Shazone on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:13:13 AM EST
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Re: Mu husband and daughter and I are (none / 0)

Because he's polically closer to Hillary? HA! Having met Hillary at least three times and known people who know her well, lets just say Obama is a lot closer than good ole Ralph's beliefs.  


Obama 2008!
by lollydee on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:22:57 AM EST
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Re: Mu husband and daughter and I are (2.00 / 2)

On trade and certain economic issues, Clinton actually is closer to Nader than Obama is, and Clinton's record on "ending corporate welfare" and "making government work for everyone, not just the rich or powerful" is one of the best in the Senate, and certainly better than Obama's record.

You can study their respective records here:

http://www.progressivepunch.org/members. jsp?search=selectScore&chamber=Senat e&scoreSort=lifetime


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:46:26 AM EST
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It was Ralph Nader himself (none / 0)

who said Barack Obama was closer to him on Meet the Press.

But whatever. This argument is stupid.

Vote for whoever you want.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:48:28 AM EST
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Re: It was Ralph Nader himself (2.00 / 1)

When did he say that? I'm curious, because when I last saw him on MTP he was lambasting both Clinton and Obama and suggesting that Edwards was more in line with his positions.

Has he appeared on MTP since then and spoken more favorably about Obama?

In any case, I do agree with your last statement. It's just that I've always found Obama's trashing of Hillary over NAFTA to be completely disingenuous and one of the reasons I was turned off by his campaign.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:04:54 PM EST
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Re: Mu husband and daughter and I are (2.00 / 2)

I'm very sorry to hear that. Will you at least try to get a Democratic House and Senate?


by goshzilla on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:32:27 AM EST
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We will vote downticket for any Dem... (1.00 / 2)

as long as s/he did not support Obama.


by Shazone on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:52:57 AM EST
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Re: We will vote downticket for any Dem... (none / 0)

In that case, thanks for leaving our generation with a massive military debt and broken-down health care system!!! You're the greatest!!!!


by goshzilla on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:03:21 PM EST
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You're welcome. (1.00 / 1)


by Shazone on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:10:02 PM EST
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You are turning not on Obama but the entire (none / 0)

Democratic party.

Therefore, you are doing more than your job of following this:

> > Step three: As the Democ-rat nomination narrows in on a candidate crank up the heat.   Your ident that supports the winning candidate should be a total ass to the losers.  The loser  ident should start calling for a voter boycott on the winner.


"Because after an eight-year hiatus it is vital to have a president who leads the country instead of lassoing, roping and branding it." Shaun Appleby
by chrisblask on Sun May 18, 2008 at 06:21:37 PM EST
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Ralph Nader: (2.00 / 1)

AMY GOODMAN: What do you think of Barack Obama's recent endorsement by Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy, along with Congressmember Patrick Kennedy, his son, and his niece, Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of President John F. Kennedy? This is the Obama campaign commercial made by Caroline Kennedy.

     CAROLINE KENNEDY: Once we had a president who made people feel hopeful about America and brought us together to do great things. Today, Barack Obama gives us that same chance. He makes us believe in ourselves again, that when we act as one nation we can overcome any challenge. People always tell me how my father inspired them. I feel that same excitement now. Barack Obama can lift America and make us one nation again.

     BARACK OBAMA: I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message.

AMY GOODMAN: Your response to Caroline Kennedy's endorsement and her comparison of Barack Obama to John Kennedy?

RALPH NADER: Well, I think it's an inspirational message. I think the Kennedys made the right move. I think they have been simmering quietly over the years about the behavior and performance of Bill Clinton. I think that's part of the shift away from Clinton to Obama. Whether it means more votes remains to be seen, but it certainly has given Obama a higher profile for a few days.

Hillary Clinton is a corporate Democrat. There's no better evidence of that than the Fortune magazine cover story in June of last year, which basically said business loves Hillary. Hillary is a big business candidate.

RALPH NADER: My assessment of Barack Obama is that he knows what the score is in terms of the male distribution of power. He knows what he has said in the past about the Israeli-Palestinian issue and the need for Palestinian rights and a two-state solution. He knows that this war was a criminal war in Iraq and we've got to get out of it in a responsible, expeditious manner. He knows that corporations have too much power over workers and consumers and small taxpayers and elections and the government.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Sun May 18, 2008 at 11:54:39 AM EST
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Re: Ralph Nader: (2.00 / 1)

I hadn't heard that interview, so thanks. It seems to me that Nader, like so many other progressives, hasn't done due diligence on Obama's positions, his economic advisers, or his Wall Street connections. I freely admit that both candidates deserve the label "corporate Democrat" (there aren't all that many who don't) and if I thought that Obama would do any better than Hillary on I/P issues, I would feel better about his campaign. But it seems to me that Obama once held positions the were progressive and was somewhat sympathetic to Palestinians when those were politically advantageous positions to take. But now, not so much. I would like to be wrong, because in all likelihood Obama will be the nominee.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:30:05 PM EST
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