Can Obama Win Without Women

No: They make up 53% of the electorate   62 votes - 86 %
Yes: Let Them Bake Cookies!   10 votes - 13 %
 
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 4)

yawn


by neonplaque on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:30:06 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 3)

And I say that as an Ohio citizen.


by neonplaque on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:30:35 AM EST
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Ohio voters for McCain woohoo! (none / 0)

You don't want Obama to win in November awesome!


by catfish1 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:45:23 AM EST
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I think they need to work for HRC now.. (2.00 / 2)

But not ask anyone to vote against Obama if (unfortunately for all of us) he becomes the Dem. nominee.

Despite Sweetiegate.

Look at it this way. McCain called his life partner a "xxxx"

Obama's folk keep saying, "its McCain or Obama"
But thats not true at this point. You can work for HRC and make it clear that the Democrats have the intelligence to want more than what Obama has to offer, mediocrity. If he is the nominee, then, you dont need to campaign for him, campaign for local Dem candidates in order to ensure that a national voice for Dem issues in the next four years is heard.

In other words, how people vote is their business.
This election should be about issues. Issues like universal healthcare and economic growth for ALL of us. About improving and continued access to public education so America has a future.

Some may sit out the election, that is their business. Its certainly understandable, if not smart. Its a visceral, personal thing.

But don't campaign FOR the other side.

They are so profoundly out of touch that it would be a real tragedy for all of us on an even deeper level if McCain wins.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:55:15 PM EST
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Re: I think they need to work for HRC now.. (none / 0)

Mojo'd for:

In other words, how people vote is their business.
This election should be about issues. Issues like universal healthcare and economic growth for ALL of us. About improving and continued access to public education so America has a future.

Some may sit out the election, that is their business. Its certainly understandable, if not smart. Its a visceral, personal thing.

But don't campaign FOR the other side.

They are so profoundly out of touch that it would be a real tragedy for all of us on an even deeper level if McCain wins.

Good on ya.


by Kysen on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:19:38 PM EST
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I won't campaign for McCain... (none / 0)

but I will vote in whatever I can/must against Obama. Write-in?  Nader?  What ever it takes.


by Shazone on Sun May 18, 2008 at 06:20:51 PM EST
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Here's your fiddle, neon; what's your hurry? (none / 0)


by itsadryheat on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:36:10 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.75 / 4)

This Ohio voter seconds that yawn. :)


by RussTC3 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:55:48 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 2)

Thirded.

Akron represent!


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:18:13 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.94 / 19)

John "I called my wife a cunt and cheated on her" McCain thanks the feminist movement for these actions.


by Cheebs on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:30:52 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.75 / 4)

I hope these people turn out to be Republicans.

Because my mother and I had an argument early in the primary.  We're both feminists, and she was arguing that there's a good possibility that older feminists won't tolerate a black person "getting there" first, the way they would if a white guy was beating Hillary Clinton.

I don't want her to be right.  It's depressing.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:31:11 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.33 / 9)

I doubt it has anything to do with being black.  

The point is that Hillary has been working hard for this party for a long long time, and Obama is a newcomer with a razor thin resume.

He should have shown party loyalty and waited his turn.  Instead, he pushed ahead of Hillary in line with scandalous sexist attacks while insinuating himself from her with lies about her racism.

It is totally unacceptable what he has done, and I am not suprised that women are telling him to take a hike.

Obama is destroying our party.


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Sun May 18, 2008 at 09:12:31 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 2)

"waited his turn"

While we're on the subject, where's my place in the line for the presidency?  If someone else cuts in line, can I yell at them?  

"sexist attacks"

Care to provide examples?  Hey, I can do this too, its fun.  Hillary made "racist attacks" on Obama.  (No, I dont actually believe that, but my point is that throwing out accusations is easy).


by ckd5555 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 09:38:38 AM EST
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Last I checked America was still a Democracy (2.00 / 3)

The idea of 'waiting his turn' is antithetical to that and down right offensive to many.  If he can make his case and enough voters support it, he should be president.  Period.

Clinton ran a tough campaign.  She would make a great president, but she was betrayed by the incompetence of Mark Penn, not by any misbehavior by the Obama campaign or his supporters.

Peace


by protothad on Sun May 18, 2008 at 09:53:24 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 3)

I'm rather glad that Obama did not wait his turn, because I (and millions of others) did not wish for it to be her turn.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:53:08 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 4)

Women should definitely come together to ensure that John McCain nominates Ruth Bader Ginsburg's successor.  

There's such a thing as a political position I vehemently disagree with, but seems a valid position nonetheless.  Then there's the politics of utter stupidity.  

Nose = Obama
Face = Feminism
These folks are nothing but a very dull scalpel


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:38:38 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.75 / 4)

This is the first time that I can truly say, I wish I were a man.
A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.
by DemsRising on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:31:13 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 9)

"to dismantle Barack Obama if he should become the nominee of the party."

"Dismantle?" what is that supposed to mean?


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:31:32 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 10)

They want to dismantle Roe v Wade.  Isn't it obvious?


by neonplaque on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:35:36 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 7)

Get this. I was perusing the comments on one of the  sites and when someone asked about that. Here was the response about losing Roe v Wade:

I'm 57 and past child bearing age so it won't affect me. My daughter and her boyfriend practice contraception. Those young feminists will just have to do it on their own. That will teach them how strong we are.

I about damn near died. I've seen similar responses on several sites. How effing stupid to want to punish generations of women because her candidate lost. Just these women voicing that crap enrages me. I guess they won't mind seeing women die with coat hangars in their hand.


by Bastet on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:30:13 AM EST
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Elect a Senate that won't confirm bad judges. (2.00 / 1)


by itsadryheat on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:38:47 AM EST
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Re: Elect a Senate that won't confirm bad judges. (2.00 / 3)

Except they always do.  At least the OnlyClintonSupportersCount is honest about consequences.

I am very much of child bearing age and feel like punching someone.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:10:30 AM EST
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Bingo (1.50 / 2)

I'm not worried about Roe V Wade if McCain is elected, because I think we'll have enough of a majority in the Senate to block anyone truly offensive.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:11:02 AM EST
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Re: Bingo (2.00 / 2)

Yes, because replacing Ginsburg or Stevens with a moderate Republican won't do any damage at all.

WE NEED LIBERALS OR WE'RE TOAST. It extends far beyond Roe vs Wade, that's just the easiest argument. The court is now set up as the ultimate authority in the land.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:58:25 AM EST
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It also extends beyond the (2.00 / 2)

Supreme Court.  Republicans have been stacking the Circuit Courts too.  No need to worry about losing a case in the Supreme Court if you have Circuit Court judges to prevent the case from getting there.

Democrats who are so petty, so selfish, so childish to dismiss the incredible damage the republicans have done and will do to this country are a waste of time to talk to.


Swish. Nothing but net.
by GFORD on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:01:13 PM EST
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Two words (none / 0)

RECESS APPOINTMENT

We need liberal judges on the courts and we're only gonna get that with a Democratic President. Otherwise we're going to get four to eight years of either moderate or conservative Republican justices or no judges at all and the entire judicial system comes to a standstill.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:07:48 PM EST
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I'm a man and this makes my blood boil (2.00 / 5)

I had a friend years ago that was raped.  I had to drive her to the clinic and hold her hand because she could not go to her own family (think about why for a moment).  It was the hardest thing I've ever had to do to be strong for her when all I wanted to do was rage and scream and be physically ill.  I am crying again just thinking about it.

The idea that she would be deprived the medical care she needed in that situation make me angry and sick all over again.  The idea that older women would willingly subject a younger generation to that shocks me beyond ration thought.


by protothad on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:01:50 AM EST
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Welcome to America (none / 0)

It's all about ME


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:08:44 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.66 / 3)

This is the bad element of the baby boomers. The groups that learned how to protest but never learned how to do it effectively.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:55:28 AM EST
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That's right - blame 80 million people (none / 0)

Or the portion of that 80 million you consider as having gone `bad'.  That's how many baby boomers there are, you know - 80 million.  Add in the 'Jones' generation (1954 - 1964, of which I'm a part - another 53 million, by the way) - and you have almost half the population of the United States.  And we ALL think alike (or almost all).  We ALL hate those younger than us.  Please!  Saying there's a 'bad element' of baby boomers is flat out bigoted.  It's like saying that since most serial killers are males in their late 20's that all 20-something males are really serial killers in situ.

I don't agree with targeting anyone for any reason.  This election has been both racist and sexist - and sexist in the extreme.  The extreme racism's yet to come, I fear.  As soon as Obama's the nominee it will roar out of the gate - just as gender bashing has with Hillary Clinton.  As a human being I'm pissed as hell about both.


by The Fat Lady Sings on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:40:25 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 3)

Here is what a poster on this very site said:

I don't give a crap about abortion.  I've raised two adopted kids and thank their natural mothers every day.  Whoa!  Does that mean I'm not a Democrat because I don't toe the line?

by NewHampster on Sat May 17, 2008 at 10:19:53 PM EST [ Parent | Reply to This ]


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:27:35 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 2)

Oh lovely. Yes, let's make women have babies conceived through rape, incest. Then let's force them to give them away because, geee, that won't cause any emotional damage. I remember those days quite well and it was disgusting. It won't just be legal abortion that disappears but that doesn't concern them. They just want what they want and everyone else be damned. This is the most selfish group of women my age I've ever seen.

I guess they like the idea of continuing war and fiscal insanity too. I mean, what the heck, McCain's latest remark about the housing and economic problems was that it was psychological. Pfffft!


by Bastet on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:59:16 PM EST
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I don't give a crap about abortion (none / 0)

as a matter of fact, I despise the act and could care less if it's legal or not

but I'm not willing to hand a victory to the Christian Fascists hell bent on turning our country into the Christian Saudi Arabia, and if it means abortion will be legalized, then so be it, I'll deal.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:10:45 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 12)

The Ohio-based group of Clinton supporters announced that they intend to actively work to dismantle Barack Obama if he should become the nominee of the party. The group says that Hillary has been subjected to gender discrimination from party leaders and the media.

I guess it only makes sense to elect am an (in the name of woman's rights!) who wants to "beat the bitch" and called his own wife a cunt.


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:31:42 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.85 / 7)

You mean the two geniuses that went on Bill O'Reilly (Yikes) holding a handwritten placard with their email adress on it ?
Yeah, am shaking in my boots.
by Benjaminomeara on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:33:01 AM EST
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Private vs. Public - calling Boxer a cutie (2.00 / 2)

While affectionate, is so wrong on so many levels.


by catfish1 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:46:36 AM EST
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Cats? (1.91 / 12)

cat
more cat pictures


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:32:00 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 11)

So let me get this straight.  Every president of the US save one has been white, male, and protestant (the exception, of course, was JFK, and he checked two boxes).  For all of the talk about how historic this election will be, the real question is whether the US is ready to elect someone who can tick two boxes out of three.

So these protesters are basically saying this: "We're unhappy Clinton didn't get the nom, so we're going to vote for the old white male WASPy guy--that'll teach 'em!"

Whatever.


by IncognitoErgoSum on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:32:17 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.30 / 23)

I'm sorry you have such a hard time understanding reality. They will most likely be protesting at the convention for one, and it sounds like they have many supporters. And once again you didn't read the story. They are upset over the sexist and unfair treatment of Hillary by the media and by some party leaders. Try grasping the story instead of straws. And if you don't like the story you know where you can go.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:39:11 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.83 / 6)

Try grasping the story instead of straws.

Holy cow, now that was ironic, coming from you.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:44:24 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 4)

I did read the story.  They're talking about working to defeat Obama if he becomes the Democratic nominee.  What part of that don't you think I understand?


by IncognitoErgoSum on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:19:05 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.50 / 8)

Why is it that your diary sounds almost gleeful at the idea that a female backlash against Obama might happen? Further, what specifically has he done or said to Clinton that is sexist? I cant think of one thing. I CAN, however, think of rcist things that Hillary and the former President have done or said to/about Obama.


by Deano963 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:27:54 AM EST
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There, Deano963, trollbomber extrordinaire. (none / 0)


by itsadryheat on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:53:38 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 2)

What has Obama done that is sexist?

"Annie Oakley" for one


by Brad G on Sun May 18, 2008 at 07:57:54 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (none / 0)

Do you actually believe what you are writing, or are you just throwing stuff out there to see what sticks?

Clinton is female, and was posing as a gun-lover.  Annie Oakley was also female, and was in fact a gun-lover.  What part of that analogy is sexist?


Can't rec or rate -- next username, please!
by neeborMolgula on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:04:31 AM EST
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Sort of like (2.00 / 1)

How Obama was a black man who won the SC primary, and so was Jesse Jackson?


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:15:57 AM EST
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Re: Sort of like (none / 0)

That one didn't really bother me, either.  Though it's not quite the same:  Clinton was being mocked for her phony gun-totin', not her gender.


Can't rec or rate -- next username, please!
by neeborMolgula on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:22:28 AM EST
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Re: Sort of like (2.00 / 1)

Anybody ought to be proud to be compared to Annie Oakley.  She was an incredible woman and a devoted feminist for her era.  She and her husband were both trick-shooters, but she was a better shot and they both knew it.  An earnest comparison to Annie Oakley could not really harm a candidate, it could even help her.

Jesse Jackson, on the other hand.  While he's been a greatly important figure in the struggle for civil rights in America, he's also a controversial and divisive figure.  He was seen, when he ran for President, as the token black candidate who all the black people voted for.  There was no reason for President Clinton to make the comparison between Obama and Jackson except to try and paint him as "the black candidate"--both excusing Senator Clinton's loss in South Carolina, and suggesting Obama does not have mainstream (read: white) appeal.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:39:30 AM EST
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And based on that... (none / 0)

The Bush/McCain neocons deserve to continue raping our nation.  Makes perfect sense.


by protothad on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:22:14 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (none / 0)

Let's say he'd said this instead:

"Now she's acting like she's Jessie James!"

...how long before that, too, became a "sexist comment"?  Accusing her of being too manly, too butch, not feminine enough...


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:33:00 AM EST
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Hi, Steve, I always look forward to your posts (2.00 / 6)

I see you have attracted 5 troll ratings and 3 zeros from some of the local  bombers.  Comes with the territory when you write anything that they are afraid to hear.  Don't you find that they won't bother engaging and bombing unless they think they might be forced to see some of Obama's weaknesses.
Remember when we wer kids and used to stick our fingers in our ears, close our eyes and hum really loudly or shout something over and over when there was something we really, really didn't want to hear?  That's what it reminds me of.  I get this vivid image of this hired crew or carbuncular young men in some really rank smelling..oops, sorry. We have important things to do here.

I am glad to see this diary, although I am sorry it seems necessary, but we can't say we didn't know that women all over were getting madder and madder at the abuse.  I guess I am surprised it took this long.

Here is the partial list of talking head contacts we have been getting up for people who want to use the next 3 days to tell the sunday shows and election coverage pundits that he can crown himself Tuesday if he wants to look so arrogant and elitist and imperial, but that as long as there are two or more candidates, the nominee is not chosen until the votes of a majority of the eventually credentialled delegates have voted in a manner counted, confirmed and recorded if the presence of the full convention delegation. (Kennedy was 976 delegates behind Carter when he took the vote to the floor.  No amount of math changes the rule of nomination to take away the need to cast the vote.

meet the press has aform at their page
hardball@msnbc.com
countdown@msnbc.com
race08@msnbc.com
abrams@msnbc.com.
morningjoe has a special contact box on the page

cnn.com/feedback/cnntv is the central contact page.  You pick the show and paste in your comment to each show of interest.  Particularly the Situation Room and 360  and Larry King are usually the ones to comment on the primaries as the news
of the votes comes in.
newshour@pbs.org
Oreilly@foxnews.com
Hannity@foxnews.com
Colmes@foxnews.com
Ontherecord@foxnews.com
Foxreport@foxnews.com
Special@foxnews.com
Feedback@foxnews.com
ftn@cbsnews.com
evening@cbsnews.com


by itsadryheat on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:12:04 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.60 / 5)

They will most likely be protesting at the convention for one, and it sounds like they have many supporters.

Perhaps even as many as Lyndon Larouche.  They're welcome to their piece of sidewalk outside the convention, and can shout and wave signs to their hearts' content.
Can't rec or rate -- next username, please!
by neeborMolgula on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:00:55 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (none / 0)

Oh yeah their must be hundreds of thousands of them. I'm sure they'll at least number as many as showed up to protest at NBC studios. You remember the protest that was promoted on the blogs? And boy was that an impressive showing, nearly closed down Manhatten.  Snark!


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton
by venician on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:40:28 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 6)

Thanks, STEVE, for telling us of female resentment of Obama.


by Benjaminomeara on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:33:18 AM EST

Go do your homework. (none / 0)


by itsadryheat on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:14:27 AM EST
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What genitalia do you need to read or to walk (1.66 / 3)

in another person's shoes or feel outrage at injustice or look clearly at what's in front of you or have empathy for someone's struggle and sensitivity toward someone a little different from yourself?

 On a wild guess,Benjaminomeara, I'd say neither you nor yours have what I am talking about.


by itsadryheat on Sun May 18, 2008 at 05:02:14 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.80 / 10)

I see a disaster waiting to happen!

I bet you do! And I bet it gets you excited!!!

Thanks for your concern, troll.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:34:49 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 5)

Isn't it funny how they pretend their reason for not supporting Obama is because they think he will lose but then they are perfectly willing to make it even harder for him ?
I mean, if your objection to Obama is that you think he will lose, then work harder to make him win ! And then, if he loses, say "I told you so".
What's exactly the point of undermining him at every turn ?
by Benjaminomeara on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:36:33 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.83 / 6)

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?  

Based on Steve's posting history, including posting a Holocaust supporter as a source, I have a feeling he'd be posting anti-Hillary stuff here if she was winning.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:39:48 AM EST
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Maybe some of the hostility around here ... (none / 0)

... is really because of what I wrote about this diary.  (sorry for the shameless self promotion)


by protothad on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:26:37 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 2)

DAMN GOOD POINT


John McCain's pick-up line is, 'Did you know that 150 is the new 130?'"
by wellinformed on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:45:15 AM EST
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Clinton Supporters Count Too (1.09 / 11)

http://katalusis.blogspot.com/2008/05/me ssage-from-clinton-supporters-count.html

Your responses are pouring in and have filled our inboxes in all states. We are moving rapidly and will have a website up soon, and are trying to respond to your emails as quickly as possible. Please pass this information on to everyone you can. Here's what we need to do.

Make calls to OR and KY. We will have another stunning victory in KY and close the gap in OR. We believe the opposition will announce that he has won the nomination on May 20th after the polls close. It will not be believable when Hillary is announcing a HUGE VICTORY IN KY.

Organize a demonstration in front of your local NBC affiliate on election night, May 20th, starting at 6:30pm, until, preferably, the close of the 11:00 news. If you do not live close to your NBC affiliate, DO NOT WATCH IT. MAKE THEIR RATINGS PLUMMET. This must be done nationwide so that our numbers and strength are visible. We have announced this boycott of NBC at our press conference. Do this to show the strength of Hillary Supporters to defeat this less-qualified candidate that has been blatantly aided with biased reporting by much of the media, and protest the sexist behavior and disgraceful comments from NBC anchors. Make you own signs, for Hillary or against any of these offenses. Use your imagination. But most of all, JUST DO IT. YOU BEING THERE WILL MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT WOMEN ALL OVER AMERICA, ARE MAD AS HECK AND AREN'T GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE.

The next step is the Resolution of FL and MI and we will demonstrate in Washington on May 31st when the Rules Committee meets. Save the date. ...more later. Each time we enter a new phase we will determine the most effective strategy and communicate it to you. Your part is to help make it happen throughout OH, MI, PA and FL, the critical states where we have the advantage.

THIS IS OUR MOMENT. HILLARY IS OUR CANDIDATE. WE HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE HISTORY. LET'S USE IT!

Jamie Dixey
Clinton Supporters Count Too!


--donna darko. I don't read or respond to comments. There's too much hate and misogyny here.
by nonwhiteperson on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:36:00 AM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters Count Too (1.00 / 2)

"Jamie Dixey
Clinton Supporters Count Too!"

How is "Dixey" pronounced? As in, "I wish I was in the land of....?"


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:48:15 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters Count Too (none / 0)

That is so (unintentionally) funny.


by interestedbystander on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:42:23 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters Count Too (none / 0)

This is HUGE, HUGE I tell ya.


by interestedbystander on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:42:58 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 4)

Thanks for alerting us to this threat.  I appreciate it.

Let's talk about how we as Democrats can unite and counteract this group that seeks to derail the potential Democratic nominee.  What can we do to stop this group in its tracks?  Where are they organizing, so that we can work to counter-organize and ensure that nobody joins this group?

Thanks for the heads-up.  I knew we could count on blogs like this one to make us aware of potential problems for the Democratic nominee, so we can figure out how to overcome them.


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by mistersite on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:36:50 AM EST

Re: You are talking about the group (none / 0)

Why do you post exactly like the banned user internetstar and the troll engels?  Is there a factory pumping you guys out or what?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:51:08 AM EST
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YES (none / 0)

Just look HERE.

(yeah, I'm pimping my own diary)


by protothad on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:36:24 AM EST
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Re: You are talking about the group (2.00 / 0)

No, not a sense of entitlement.

Just a crapload of delegates.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:51:29 AM EST
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Re: You are talking about the group (2.00 / 2)

No, I mean this group who wants to work against Barack Obama if he's the nominee, in favor of electing a man who has called his wife a "c***," who wants to appoint SCOTUS judges who oppose women's rights, and who thinks the Bush economy is going just swimmingly.

But that was certainly an ambitious, if not all that artful, effective, or apropos, attempt to shoehorn in your talking points.  I give it a B- for effort.


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by mistersite on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:54:08 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.80 / 5)

the best way to derail these nitwits is when Hillary  denounces them and explains that they are making a grave mistake that will Only Harm womens rights ..... is this group is successful Hillary would be finsished forever and no party would never be willing to nominate a female ever because of threats like this from there supporters.  


John McCain's pick-up line is, 'Did you know that 150 is the new 130?'"
by wellinformed on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:52:02 AM EST
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Hi, flute, maybe if they stopped abusing women? (1.00 / 2)

Do you remember MCPs from back in the before time?


by itsadryheat on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:18:01 AM EST
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Re: You are talking about the group (none / 0)

My rebuttal:

There is no constitutional right to vote in a primary.  Otherwise, political parties wouldn't be allowed to exclude members of another party in its primary.

As for FL/MI, part of democracy isn't just voting but allowing voters as much choice as possible.  This means giving a chance to the lesser-known, underfinanced candidate such as Chris Dodd, Mike Huckabee, Joe Biden, etc.  The only way to do this is to have small states like IA and NH go first since there money and television do not dominate.  There's something profoundly democratic about watching a candidate shiver in the cold NH snow just to shake a voter's hand.  FL and MI thumbed their nose at this profoundly democratic idea, and must be sanctioned accordingly.

We don't put the popular vote on par with delegates for a reason:  Some states choose to have open primaries.  Some states choose to exclude only Republicans.  Some choose to include solely Democrats.  Some choose to have caucuses.  Adding these unlike terms requires a common denominator or common currency.  In our pre-agreed to election system, that's the seated delegates.

Also, the contest was for delegates -- not for popular vote.  Had the contest been for popular vote, candidates would have chosen to allocate their time differently -- probably not as much time in Cedar Rapids, IA and Manchester, NH as in NYC, Chicago, or LA.

Finally, because delegates determine who is the party's nominee, how can Hillary Clinton -- who trails by 150+ delegates -- claim she is ahead?


by Brad G on Sun May 18, 2008 at 08:14:01 AM EST
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Re: You are talking about the group (none / 0)

130 of those delegates where from rep dominated states and also caucus states. several states Hillary had the popular vote lead but obama did better in the caucus.
   130 delegates that would not count if there were only primarys. So there goes obamas lead.
by mk5112 TX on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:25:20 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 6)

Seriously, John McCain not only called his wife a cu** in public but also plans to advocate everything to which women are opposed.


by Pat Flatley on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:38:38 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (none / 0)

Prove it! that would be worth seeing! We could make a pt of letting him know we have that proof and see if we could change his position.
  when someone gives you lemons, make lemonaide
Melk austin, tx
by mk5112 TX on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:20:23 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 5)

p.s. your push-poll vote is funny, except I'm not a big fan of cookies (gotta watch my weight).   Maybe it would have been more hilarious if you had the second choice as: Yes: Let Them Iron My Shirt!

Go away, troll.


by neonplaque on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:39:28 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 2)

Women across America are uniting in earnest to denounce the unfair and sexist treatment of Hillary Clinton by both the media and the Obama campaign.

Ok, if you want to go after the media, fine... they have never been the democrat's best friend.  It's unfair and morally wrong to attack Obama 'cos you think the media has been unfair to Hillary. That is not his fault.  Besides, the media has been very nice to Hillary since about a week before Ohio.  They like the prolonged primary race.

Exactly how has Obama been either unfair or sexist in his treatment of Hillary.  I want concrete examples, not vague generalizations!  And remember, sexism is a lot more than not being pro-Hillary.  Prove your thesis!

As for fairness, personally, I don't think she's been very fair to him until very recently...


by LordMike on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:40:07 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.83 / 6)

Don't you understand?  He doesn't know his PLACE!  It's HER TURN!!!

Challenging her in the primary is an afront to ALL WOMEN!!  Hilly is 44!!!   I mean, what a victory it would be to have the first woman present propped up by being married to a popular former president.  Can't you see she's perfect?  She's done it all on her own. She DESERVES IT!! To deny her her as the rightful ascendance to to the thrown is sexist!

Pigs.

/snark


by neonplaque on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:46:14 AM EST
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Re: dare you to do your little (none / 0)

Therein lies YOUR problem.  BHO had NO NEPOTISM whatsoever.  And. That. Is. The. Point.

HRC was crowned BEFORE the primaries.  So, why SHOULDN'T ANY presidential aspirant be challenged in the primary season?

And. That. Is. The. Second. Point.


by yankeeinmemphis on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:09:53 AM EST
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So, flute, have you ever had any of them dare (2.00 / 4)

to actually honestly try your suggestion or actually answer your question with a serious effort, or are they always just juvenile with their taunts and strawmen and fabricated righteous indigination.

Has any Obama supporter here this week actually behaved himself toward you like a genuine activist who really wanted Senator Obama's lofty, borrowed, rhetoric to guide his efforts to bridge divides, unify the party and build the new coalition for the new politics?

I wonder how many of the usual bullies here we would have to scratch before we found someone who allowed himself to wonder why Senator Obama was in such a hurry and so unconcerned at risking angering and dismissing half of the primary voters and a whole lot more of the non-primary general election voting rank and file Democrats.

Hillary got 60% of the men in WV and part of the shift away from Obama might have something to do with how he is treating her. Don't you find that whole men tend not to need to push women around to get ahead or beat their chests extolling prowess they don't yet have? Or declare themselves the winner when nobody has voted for them yet? And they don't like it when they see other men do it. No wonder the "invisible people" love Hillary.

 Ever wonder why Senator Obama is willing to take such a risk when if he is so "ahead and inevitable", he must have tons of room to be gracious, civil, play by the rules, show respect to his worthy opponents, and allow the votes to be counted.

I keep looking for a acenario that would explain how he and his supporters are acting and what I keep coming up with doesn't look good for the party or the election.

Anyway, nice to see you again.  Have a good night.


by itsadryheat on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:44:33 AM EST
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Re: So, flute, have you ever had any of them dare (none / 0)

Real men dont have to treat women this way!!!!!!!!
well look at the problems in the AA community with the young men.
   AA women are the bread winners in their familys-they are strong and capable because they have to be. This the very thing Bill Cosby was upset with the AA community and also Rev Wright but rev. wright and that group probably were not willing to give up to much power to the women other wise there would be some AA preachers up on that pulpit as well.
  Just my opinion
MelK austin, tx
 
by mk5112 TX on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:17:12 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.90 / 10)

Somehow, I don't think a thousand examples would be anything but met with denial by Obama's supporters.  So there is no use in listing them. I have already been through that on another thread myself, tonight.


by Scotch on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:24:23 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 3)

And yet another abusive rating by Deskhack, who hands them out like candy.


by Scotch on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:39:26 AM EST
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There's a crew of trollbombers around who (2.00 / 1)

cannot atand for an instant any poster asking good questions about Obama's actions, policies, background, inconsistency with message, history of getting rid of opponents in Chicago, disregard of the rules of the process, aggressive presumptivness in trying to twist the reality of the election and the need to run in order to get votes, the count the votes given in an audited, certified manner, to prove his worth as a candidate rather than try to intimidate and manipulate..you know what I mean.

Don't you find that people who don't want to look carefully at something are usually afraid of what they will see?  And people who don't have an appreciation of fairness, justice and due process usually don't have a good sense of personal accountability and boundaries themselves, leaving them less socially fit, more quick to blame/attack others and unwilling to examine or let other voices be heard.

They don't act like they have any faith that their position or candidate will able to stand on its' own merits under any scrutiny or in the face of any opposition.  If Senator Obama needs that kind of support to win the nomination, wonder what kind of President ...?


by itsadryheat on Sun May 18, 2008 at 04:35:34 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (none / 0)

I'll be happy with one example.  Seriously.  I'm not being snarky.  If I'm missing something, I'd like to know.


by LordMike on Sun May 18, 2008 at 03:08:33 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 3)

Sexism is in many forms, but many are insulted by the use of words by Obama such as sweetie and cutie when he is addressing his colleagues and women who are professionals. He has said many questionable and simalar things in that regard. I posted endlessly about why it is felt that those are sexist terms on Hariden's thread to no avail.  They symbolize something deeper and words are meant to keep sexism in place and reinforce it.  I don't have the energy or desire to go any deeper into it again.  Sorry.


by Scotch on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:02:19 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (none / 0)

I didn't know that Barack Obama called Hillary sweetie or cutie.  I would have thought that would have made the papers.  Since, you accused him of running a sexist campaign against Hillary, that must imply that he called her demeaning names.  I have only heard very complimentary words from his mouth when he describes Hillary.  Perhaps you can link me to a news story which I missed.

His calling a reporter sweetie can be easily explained by the amount of time he spent in North Carolina, where everyone calls each other sweetie and sugar.  Anyways, he apologized for it and made ammends...  I'm not sure how many more pounds of flesh you would like from him in that regard.  Considering he has a lot of very loyal female staff and advisers, they obviously don't feel the same way you do, otherwise they wouldn't be as loyal as they are.


by LordMike on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:11:19 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (none / 0)

He didnt call Hillary sweetie or cutie but when he won in Iowa, he came out dancing on the stage to a Rapper song , called  "I have 99 problems but none of them is a Hoe"   - if you listen to the words and you like your self as a female - you realize how demeaning it is. nasty, nasty little song.
   He didnt apologize for this, just as he hasnt apologized for any other awful things he has allowed his campaign to put forth on his behalf.
This does not look like a desire for unity to me.
I guess he is just looking down on me-an elitist view point. He always seems to have his nose up in the air around Hillary. What a dork he is.
MelK austin, tx
by mk5112 TX on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:03:28 PM EST
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Troll rating a man for supporting a woman (2.00 / 2)

instead of playing by the rules is an aggressive act. Historically "male" aggression at women and at the people who stand up for them is expressed by using greater physical strength and size, control of money and property and more political freedom and support in laws and intstitutions, and more traditional access to power to dominate, control,reduce, dimish, contain, prevent, subdue, discount women. With the help of other men they have taken what women had and used it for themselves.

 The law treated women as property of men and all aspects of life were controlled by men.  Women were sold into marriages by force, their inheritances given to the husbands. Their physical movements in wht world were controlled completely by men. Gradually they got the right to own property, make purchases, and, in my adult lifetime, have credit in their own name. Gradually they got the chance to become educated and work, but just as teachers and nurses and clerks, at first, never in a progession or leadership  position.

Millions of Democrats remember when the effort in the 1970's began to try to make  equal rights and equal pay for women codified into law and it didn't happen. Then women were making  59 cents for every dollar a male made in the same job. Now it is up to 77 cents. Women are over half of the population but do not have half of the positions of control in the institutions, corporations or government. The reason is sexism...a bias against a person  because of their gender.

The best way to know it when you see it is to ask yourself: would that be happening if she were male?

Would I react the same if the issue were race?

Does he get away with it and she doesn't?

Do the male dominated press fault her and praise him for the same things?  Do they decry it when she does it and support it when he does it? Can he get away with saying repeatedly thAT she is dishonest, of low character, will do or say anything to win, will not tell you the truth.

And yet she can say that JFK hoped to get a civil rights bill but it took a president committed and able to do the work to make it law.  And what happened to her. His campaign circulated a memo and made phone calls and got on radio shows and confronted liberal leaders  with cries of RACISM about this statement.  The press went along with the male candidate and never said a word about the things Obama was saying  in his daily character attacks against the woman candidate.

It became conventional wisdom and we see it repeated by Obama supporter every day in blogs and on tv that Hillary will do anything to win and is dishonest and won't ever tell you the truth and not saying if she were VP she would murder Obama (David Gergen and Alax Castellanes on the CNN broadcasts, the latter at 3:50pm PDT Last Tuesday ) It is sexism if males or groups of males gang up up to  do something they would not get away with doing to a male and then use their male dominated power to support it or cover it up.

Young men and some young women are not at all sensitive to these issues yet.  Tens of millions of Democrats, men and women are, because we know what came before and how to measure how far we have yet to go before equality.


by itsadryheat on Sun May 18, 2008 at 05:16:30 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 1)

Damn I wish I had my Mojo

I will just use my MOJO CREDIT card

graet comment


John McCain's pick-up line is, 'Did you know that 150 is the new 130?'"
by wellinformed on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:54:22 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 2)

ok great comment


John McCain's pick-up line is, 'Did you know that 150 is the new 130?'"
by wellinformed on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:55:19 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 1)

I mojoed the comment for you.

I hope you get it back.  On the bright side you can legitimately imitate Austin Powers and say "I've lost my mojo" with a bad British accent until you do.


No McCain in '08
by Renie on Sun May 18, 2008 at 02:05:45 AM EST
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I wonder how these people would respond... (none / 0)

... if Hillary visited them in person and asked them to their face why they are trying to destroy everything she stands for.

John McCain stands in opposition to almost every progressive value that Clinton has fought for nearly her entire political life.  My conclusion is that these people are at worst a Republican front group, at best seriously deluded.

I ask this of the most diehard Obama haters on this site... if Clinton took your hand, looked you in the eye, and asked you to put aside your passions and vote for Obama in support of the issues she cares about... would you do it?


by protothad on Sun May 18, 2008 at 10:51:00 AM EST
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I would respond by . (none / 0)

telling HRC when John Edwards left the race I looked at both HRC and BHO. Then I would tell her even though she wielded influence in the Clinton WH and did nothing(to my knowledge) to intervene on the behalf of Lani Guinier or Joycelyn Elders (strong supporter of HRCs health care plan).
Even though HRCs friend Marian Wright Edelman states The "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act" hurts poor women and children. Even though I know that changing welfare as we know it hurt women and children, even though Guinier and Elders got thrown under the bus.I was looking at HRC as seriously as BHO (maybe more seriously),then Bill Clinton started campaigning in SC and that tore it for me. I began to look harder at BHO ...the rest is herstory

Ida B. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.-Mark Twain
by Ida B on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:39:18 PM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.75 / 4)

Yeah, that makes sense.  Work to bring Obama down, elect McCain, and guarantee the overturning of Roe v. Wade.  That's keeping it all in perspective.


by Drummond on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:41:38 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 8)

""We have a plan to campaign against the Democratic nominee. We have the (wo)manpower and the money to make our threat real. And there are millions of supporters who will back us up in the swing states. If you don't listen to our voice now, you will hear from us later.""

Someone delete this puerile trash.  This is a site for Democrats.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:42:21 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 6)

I fail to see the same level of sexism from anyone in the Obama campaign that comes close to the amount of sexism involved with calling your wife a "Cu*t" and telling Hillary that her daughter was ugly when her daughter was younger than 10. They really want that to become President to battle "sexism"? puh-lease.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:42:46 AM EST

Re: Matthews, Olbermann, Russert, and Schuster (none / 0)

Ummm.... wow.  Is that how you horse around with your spouse?

Let me try to come up with a response worthy of your intellect...

Got it!

If you love McCain so much, why don't you marry him?!?!?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:54:13 AM EST
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Re: Matthews, Olbermann, Russert, and Schuster (2.00 / 1)

If I "horsed around with my partner" by calling her that name, she would probably (a) whack me with something heavy and then (b) leave me.

I would deserve every bit of it.  Calling any person by that word is absolutely inexcusable in any situation.


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by mistersite on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:59:27 AM EST
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Can we paws this discussion? (2.00 / 6)


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:50:11 AM EST

Re: Can we paws this discussion? (none / 0)

... ... ... LOL!!!!!!  CUTEST THING ON MYDD EVAH!


mccain/Jindal 08: uniting the Depends generation with the Pampers generation.
by Doug Tuttle on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:54:01 AM EST
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Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (1.66 / 3)

Why does this site allow garbage like this? Sad


by ETHIOLIB on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:58:16 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 3)

McCain would be a disaster for women.  Get real. You're going to have to get over your hurt feelings for the good of the country.


by Democrat in Chicago on Sun May 18, 2008 at 12:59:49 AM EST

Re: A Female Backlash Against Obama Is Beginning (2.00 / 3)

For his part, Senator Obama has been gracious towards Senator Clinton.

While no one has accused Senator Obama of sexism, some, such as columnist Marie Cocco, say the campaign has exposed "the hatred of women that is accepted as a part of our culture".

A possible future?...


May 17, 2011, Washington, DC

Today hundreds of thousands of women converged on Washington DC to protest the 5-4 decision of the Supreme Court in Smith vs State of Alabama, which has overturned the longstanding Roe v Wade precedent. The decision, made possible by the nomination of Michael Luttig to the Supreme Court by President John McCain, to fill the seat of late Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, has raised incredible cries of outrage across the country.

Two of the speakers at the rally at the courthouse today were Cynthia Ruccia, 58, and Jamie Dixey, 60. They were largely credited with the defeat of Senator Barack Obama in the 2008 election, marshaling women across the country, including a fair number of Democrats, with accusations of endemic sexism. Although Senator Obama was never accused of sexism directly, he was repeatedly accused to abetting and benefiting from "hatred of women that is part of our culture". Ms. Ruccia and Ms. Dixey were there to renounce McCain, and said that just as the power of women overcame the Obama candidacy, it would destroy the Republican party in 2012. Many political experts, however, have noted that the disarray in the Democratic party that ensued subsequent to the internecine war over the nomination in 2008 led to their rout at the polls in 2010, as millions of disillusioned Democrats stayed home, and Republicans reclaimed the House and Senate despite a 5:3 disadvantage in party identification.

Asked for comment, former Senator Obama condemned McCain and Luttig in kind, stating, "This is the politics as usual that we have come to expect from the Republicans. They will sacrifice womens' right to their own bodies for political gain."  Senator Obama had raised Clinton as a possible Supreme Court nominee during the campaign, although Senator Clinton herself was noncommittal. Clinton has announced her candidacy for the Democratic nomination for 2012, although the reception after her role in 2008 has resulted in a much more lukewarm reception than her 2008 candidacy received. One major donor, who asked to remain anonymous, was quoted as saying, "If she gets into the race and gains any ground, and then fails to get the nomination again, it will be 2008 all over again. It's already hard enough courting the bitter black vote, and the youth vote is practically nonexistant." The youth vote, usually heavily democratic but light on turnout, was practically nonexistant in 2010, as 18-29 year olds made up only 3% of voters.

I'm sure McCain is very excited about this whole development.


by mattw on Sun May 18, 2008 at 01:02:53 AM EST