Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show

Remember that video of that woman outside the DNC meeting on Saturday?  Jane Hamsher interviewed a few folks and this woman was pretty memorable for the anger and passion in her voice.  She also raised a few eyebrows with her words.   Well she's a bit calmer than she was after the DNC's RBC meeting on Saturday, but she's still determined to see this become a fair process.

She's still pissed and so are a lot of Hillary's other supporters - myself included.


(Credit to No Quarter for posting this video)

I've got to disagree with her assertion that 99% of AA voters don't know why they're supporting BO.   But she does have a lot of good points otherwise.  It's worth putting out there for discussion.

I'm hearing from a lot of folks who are saying that if Hillary's not at the top of the ticket, then the Democrats won't get their support in November.  If the DNC don't wake up soon, they could be insuring a defeat for us when it comes to taking back the White House.  Women aren't asking that the nomination be handed to Hillary - only that this be a fair contest where arms aren't twisted and threats aren't made to our super delegates.

Let the people vote.

Let the supers decide between the candidates based on their abilities and experience.

Please - all we're asking is that the party hot-shots STOP trying to railroad us into choosing one nominee over another.



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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (1.56 / 16)

Let the people decide - not the party bosses.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:56:00 PM EST

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 3)

The people have decided. That's why Obama's won 38 states, and that's why he's about to become our nominee.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:58:31 PM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 6)

Oh - so that convention in August... that's just one big coronation then?

Note to Delegates:  No need to show up to vote - your ballots have already been filled out for you.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:06:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 2)

You keep fighting until August. Democrats will rally around our nominee now to battle McCain.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:07:04 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 6)

Great!

Hillary and her 17 (nearly 18) million supporters will thank you when the Supers wise up and side with her in Denver. ;o)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:09:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 2)

Whatever helps you sleep at night.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:09:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (1.80 / 5)

its not even worth it.

let her say what she wants, its her right to do so.

she isn't even really worth commenting on anymore.

does anyone really care about algere has to say? not like anyone expects to find any truth or anything.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:11:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 3)

Can I get that in writing?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:18:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

C O L !!! (none / 0)


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:51:13 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 4)

I don't care what you have to say. I stopped caring (and stopped reading) a long time ago. Keep fighting the battle. As the days go by, you'll just find yourself defending people that just keep getting more and more reprehensible as all the sane people leave the room.

Like right now, you find yourself in the position of defending a true bigot. One that clearly has a great deal of problems with black people. A couple of months ago, you wouldn't have been reduced to this.

She's a liar anyway. She listed Waitress as her occupation on her donation to Clinton's campaign. She's actually a real estate agent in New York City. So for her to cry about being a second-class citizen is pretty reprehensible in and of itself.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:20:25 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 1)

Feel free to troll rate my comment. It probably deserves to be. Sometimes I just have to let stuff out.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:21:28 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 1)

Troll rate truth?  Why?


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:58:23 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (none / 0)

I care about what you have to say, Alegre.  I don't always agree, but I find your passion, loyalty, and determination inspiring.

You are loved!


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:59:27 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 1)

Even the greatest of HRC supporters are now doing what is best for the party and country. HRC tried to destroy the party and people need to be bigger than her. This is why people were asking her to drop out sooner to stop this from happening. The math was never in her favor.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:18:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

What the hell are you talking about? (none / 0)

How is that a response to my comment?

I'm with Hillary until she says its over.  When that happens, I will gladly support the nominee.  Your arrogance and your making stupid accusations about Hillary trying to "destroy the party" doesn't help with party unity.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:03:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (none / 0)

Yes, Hillary Clinton tried to destroy the party.  That's a sure-fire way to win friends and influence people.


Buddhist Clintonistas for Obama.
by Denny Crane on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:16:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

When Hillary endorses Obama tonight (none / 0)

And promises to fight for the Democratic nominee, you'll be right there with her, won't you?


by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:52:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 1)

Go join the Hillary Party then. You are overly unreasonable.

Does anyone really know Alegre in person? How long has she been in the party or is she new to it? I think we have a Repiglican here. This is not good at all. You must learn how to lose or get out of the party but the vindictiveness is going to destroy this country and for what? So you can be happy that Obama loses? This is an example of an 8 year old mind - recess is over!


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:16:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

While I do not agree with (2.00 / 1)

some of what alegre says, and we had our battles when Edwards was still in the race, I sincerely believe that alegre is a good person and a good Democrat.  She and I share many progressive values.

She is no Republican.  She is a strong advocate for her chosen candidate.  That's a good thing. I want people involved.

There is no reason to attack alegre personally.  Disagree on the merits of her arguments.  It's really not hard to be civil if you try.  


by TomP on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:54:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Most of those 17-18 million (2.00 / 1)

supporters are Democrats -- you are not.  Most of Clinton supporters are intelligent, classy and hell-bent on putting a Democrat in the WH -- you are not.  Most Clinton supporters do not align themselves with racists, Larry Johnson (redundant) and Fox News -- you do.  If you think you represent those 17-18 million good Democrats, I have news for you, you do not.


by gchaucer2 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:42:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (1.33 / 3)

You need professional help.  

Seriously.  Not snark.


by Deadalus on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:23:02 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 2)

Terry McAuliffe just said on the Today show that this isn't going to the credentials committee and it isn't going to the convention.  When Obama rolls out a sufficient number of super delegate endorsements to put him over 2118, Senator Clinton will congratulate him, call him the nominee and get on with the business of unifying the party.


by Same As It Ever Was on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:42:29 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (none / 0)

Wow, did he really say that? Because if there's anyone who knows about giving Democrats huge electoral losses, it's Terry McAuliffe.


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:59:01 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (none / 0)

Well he is Clinton's national co-chair.  Yes, he said it.  IIRC Halperin has it on his page, buried under the Clyburn endorsement.


by Same As It Ever Was on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:04:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 6)

Happy to.

Just let me know when someone asks an actual quesiton rather than offer up a load of... well you know.

I tend to ignore furious and idignant BS but hey - that's just me (shrugs).


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:08:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (1.40 / 5)

Honestly, my 19 year old gave up writing in this style about 3 years ago.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:09:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Will you.... (none / 0)

Will you support Obama if he gets the nomination?


by libertyleft on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:52:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (none / 0)

Since when do you ignore your own diaries?

Do I sense a strike on the horizon for MyDD too?


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:50:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 1)

Oh, please. Yes.  If all the people who are not supporting the Democratic nominee went on strike, we could actually discuss the race against McCain.


by Gene In PA on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:27:37 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 3)

The Clinton, DLC-bunch are the very definition of 'party bosses.'  Or at least they were.


by Lawyerish on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:58:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

C O L !!!! (2.00 / 8)

Too rich.  Thanks for the flashback - I haven't seen someoen toss out the DLC at us since we left dKos.  Always good for a laugh ;o)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:01:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: C O L !!!! (2.00 / 1)

Are you going to answer any questions, alegre, or just hide behind TRs?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:02:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: C O L !!!! (2.00 / 3)

What are you laughing about? The DLC is indeed the epitome of insider politics, cozying up to the corporate types, playing it up with the lobbying big money crowd, all in the name of making the party more moderate.

Deal with the issue sometime instead of throwing out a quip that isn't remotely convincing.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:06:23 AM EST
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Re: C O L !!!! (2.00 / 1)

If you don't think the DLC is perfectly happy with Obama as the nominee then you don't know much about the DLC. Half the guy's domestic policy staff are DLCers. The only thing they disagree on is Iraq, and foreign policy was never the DLC's strong suit.


by souvarine on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:47:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

They endorsed Clinton... (none / 0)

Look at their website.  She's on their Leadership Team and Bill founded the organization.  The DLC candidate is clear.  Now they'll endorse Obama when he's the candidate, but that does not mean he was their first choice.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:36:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: They endorsed Clinton... (none / 0)

Bill Clinton didn't found the DLC. Al Fromm, Will Marshall, Sam Nunn, Dick Gephardt and a handful of others founded it. The DLC did not endorse this cycle, they liked all of the viable candidates, including Clinton and Obama.

Obama's policies are very much aligned with the DLC, arguably more so than Clinton's.


by souvarine on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:58:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And yet their website has only one (none / 0)

candidate's economic policy on its homepage.  And the Clintons most certainly helped found the DLC.  I really like what he says here:

President Bill Clinton, in his speech to the 1998 DLC Annual Conference, said, "[New Democrat ideas] are reviving center-left political parties throughout the industrialized world as people everywhere struggle to put a human face on the global economy. Today, less than 15 years after we started, the ideas pushed by the DLC are literally sweeping the world."

Did you notice that "we"?  And the coup de grace is that Clinton is on the DLC's Leadership Team.  It is just ridiculous to claim that Obama is more tainted by the DLC than Clinton.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 04:05:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And yet their website has only one (none / 0)

I haven't claimed anyone was more "tainted" by the DLC. I've said that the DLC is happy with either candidate, and that if you look at Obama's plans they are more aligned with the DLC's domestic policy approach than Clinton's are.


by souvarine on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 04:49:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Then why aren't his domestic plans on their... (none / 0)

homepage.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:49:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: C O L !!!! (none / 0)

Do you always greet uncomfortable facts with nervous laughter?


by Same As It Ever Was on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:43:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

We've mentioned the DLC many a time (none / 0)

and been ignored by the true believers, because Hillary is a woman.  It's not about policy with a good many of her supporters.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:08:04 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 5)

Alegre,

If TX caucus fraud is such a glaring and terrible problem, why no statement on it from the Clinton campaign or a single TX superdelegate or elected official?  

Have they come down with a severe case of shyness?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:58:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 4)

Tsk Tsk Tsk... for someone who so enjoys playing in my sandbox whenever I post a diary, you clearly haven't bothered to read tonight's other post - have you? :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:10:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 2)

You have bloggers commenting on other bloggers. No one in the Clinton campaign or the TX Democratic party has said a peep - why's that?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:12:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 3)

They issued two press statements the day of the caucuses.

Just go read my other diary.  There's a link to one of them there.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:14:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Is this snark? (1.50 / 4)

Serious question.


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:15:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is this snark? (2.00 / 1)

ah, so that one is your sock-puppet, I suspected, but thanks for verifying it


by zerosumgame on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:19:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is this snark? (1.50 / 4)

Is this snark?

Serious question.


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:31:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama supporters do not engage. (1.73 / 15)

Let this person vent by her lonesome.


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:59:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama supporters do not engage. (2.00 / 1)

sigh, such a pungent straight line. so sad he is humor-impaired and does not even realize it :)


by zerosumgame on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:20:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama supporters do not engage. (none / 0)

I laugh at your comments all the time. Does that count?


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:24:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (1.84 / 13)

Really, Alegre, do you think this is helping Clinton, or is it just a habit now? Does it bother you even the Clinton supporters, by and large, find you lacking in any credibility now?

Seriously, how many times do I have to say this? We've seen what real Clinton supporters act like time and time again here- and they can support Senator Clinton and fight like hell for her without resorting to propaganda, rhetoric, intellectual dishonesty, and sourcing primarily from hate sites. Look at grlpatriot's diary on the rec list right now- she actually spent time trying to talk and defend herself, her point of view, and Senator Clinton. She didn't engage in a hit and run multiple smear-diary spamming streak.

I hope you're prepared for the post-primary period, when nobody will take you seriously- ever again.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:01:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The people already decided. Went for Obama. (2.00 / 3)

Gave him a majority of elected delegates back on May 20th.


by bobdoleisevil on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:06:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Is snark serious? (1.66 / 3)

This is a question.


by bobdoleisevil on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:13:25 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 1)

Alegre, you do realize that part of Sen. Clinton's rationale for many weeks was precisely that party bosses (super delegates) actually get to decide.  Her point being and stated repeatedly that this is NOT a Democratic process.  I don't necessarily agree, but thought you'd like to know that you were arguing a point opposite your candidate.


by niksder on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:26:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Why do you solicit links from hate sites (1.86 / 15)

and use diatribes from bigots to support your diary?

And why won't you vote for Obama if he's the nominee?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:56:40 PM EST

Re: Why do you solicit links from hate sites (2.00 / 6)

And why do you troll rate when you can't answer questions, alegre?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:59:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why do you solicit links from hate sites (2.00 / 2)

Hey, she knows her rating history will be erased whenever she wants.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:04:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Good christ (2.00 / 6)

why does anyone hang around this site?  After a week of posting, I've got slack jawed, half-literate trolls following me around tr'ing innocuous comments cause they doesn't like me.  

Meanwhile, this character gets 'protection' from the owner of the site so people who tr her lose their ability to rate so the site winds up with more slack-jawed morons with the ability to rate diaries than people capable of critical thinking.

Is that overly harsh?  Where are the mydd folks who stick up for truth and stuff?  Why in the hell, on a progressive blog, would those be the people in the minority getting pushed around by these low characters?  

Seriously, tr me if it feels productive but I'd seriously love to have someone explain exactly what gives on this site?  


by Sun Dog on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:12:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good christ (2.00 / 3)

It is strange but somehow compelling.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:16:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good christ (2.00 / 2)

Ditto. I'm here from DK to watch the meltdown. Made an account so I could tackle some of the more egregious lies I kept seeing on the wreck list.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:23:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good christ (2.00 / 1)

Is it like craning your neck to look at a car crash?

I sometimes wonder if parody troll actually got it right.    

Does this just become a fully Republican leaning site if Hillary does indeed conceed tomorrow?  Or are there a whole slew of sane, smart Hillary supporters who are just waiting it out before getting into it against McCain?  


by Sun Dog on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:33:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good christ (2.00 / 1)

There are quite a few rational ones, but I wonder what will happen after she concedes, too.  Unfortunately for the owner, probably a drop in ad revenue from the drop in site visits.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:06:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good christ (2.00 / 1)

Is it like craning your neck to look at a car crash?

I sometimes wonder if parody troll actually got it right.    

Does this just become a fully Republican leaning site if Hillary does indeed conceed tomorrow?  Or are there a whole slew of sane, smart Hillary supporters who are just waiting it out before getting into it against McCain?  


by Sun Dog on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:34:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sorry about the double post (2.00 / 1)

not sure how that happens.  


by Sun Dog on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:38:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good christ (2.00 / 3)

The crash analogy is quite on (as is the cliff note below).

I've been posting about how things will have to change soon. The site's either going to start pretending to be a progressive blog again (which means no more front-page hit jobs and coddling McCain trolls and Clinton dead-enders)...or it'll become a full-blown H44esque site. Either way, the admin will have to decide whether they're running a pro-D nominee or pro-R nominee/anti-D nominee site in a few days.

I'm hoping for the former. Don't think I'll stick around to watch things fully devolve in the other direction.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:41:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good christ (2.00 / 1)

Sometimes I get a little upset that such a pioneering website has falling so far but I keep holding out hope that it will bounce back after the diehard Hillary crowd finally sees reality.  I'm hoping that will happen this week and the mods won't let the stupid stretch out until the convention.

In the mean time, there's some serious comedy here, it's usually funnier, and less believable, than The Onion.


by Gene In PA on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:36:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good christ (none / 0)

We like the gladiatorial aspect of this blog, it's true.  A guilty pleasure, to be sure, best used in moderation.  Some of you are here all the livelong day, however, and to you I say...get a life.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:14:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good christ (2.00 / 2)

I agree completely.

It's like seeing someone on a bicycle pedaling toward the edge of a cliff. You feel you have to do something, but since nothing you say or do will stop it, all you can really do is stand and watch.

It's been a little horrifying.

I hope that, once the nomination is determined, the site is swept clean of these McCain trolls, and Jerome's little experiment in maintaining "fairness and balance" by protecting them will be over.


"The world is a mess, and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible
by BobzCat on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:32:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I've wondered that (2.00 / 1)

It has seemed like the site developed the FOX paradigm in that way.  The notion that you have to be 'fair and balanced' about both candidates even when one of them might be lying their ass off.  Truth doesn't rule the day, it's considered subjective as hell.  This usually happens when you have a sort of ruling majority who has no interest in arriving at the truth.  


by Sun Dog on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:37:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well.. (2.00 / 1)

"It's demented and sad, but social." - Bender from the Breakfast Club.


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:54:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Because she can't take (none / 0)

the heat and has left the kitchen for the latrine.


by gchaucer2 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:07:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 2)

Women aren't asking that the nomination be handed to Hillary - only that this be a fair contest where arms aren't twisted and threats aren't made to our super delegates

What are you talking about?  


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:56:45 PM EST

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 1)

The ironic thing is that the Clinton's have done the same arm twisting of superdelegates.  It just makes no sense.


John McCain believes "Women shouldn't have a choice."
by jturn17 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:33:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (none / 0)

Their entire campaign has been predicated on it for some time now.


by Same As It Ever Was on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:46:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The threat of a primary challenge? (none / 0)

When did the Clintons do this?

In an interview Palmer still sounded riled about a few things he had heard about. One of them, reported by the Associated Press, was a private conversation between Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), a Clinton supporter, and Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.), one of Obama's national campaign co-chairmen. Both lawmakers are superdelegates. Jackson had asked Cleaver if he wanted to go down in history as someone who prevented an African American from occupying the White House for the first time. Separately, Jackson told the AP that supporting Clinton in districts where Obama won overwhelmingly might place those politicians at risk of a primary challenge.

Or this?

Some have already gotten the message. Until last week, Lewis was one of Clinton's most prominent black supporters, an icon from the civil rights movement whose endorsement last fall was a major coup, underscoring the strong bonds between the Clintons and many African American leaders.

Lewis described his defection as more anguishing than his decision to lead the "Bloody Sunday" march in 1965 from Selma to Montgomery, Ala., when he was nearly beaten to death. In a statement issued last week, he explained that he viewed Obama's campaign as "the beginning of a new movement in American political history" and that he wanted "to be on the side of the people."

Before his switch, Lewis came under strong pressure from Obama allies in the Congressional Black Caucus, including Reps. Jesse L. Jackson Jr. (Ill.) and Artur Davis (Ala.), and from a burgeoning movement of black bloggers and activists who believe that some of their elders -- even a legend like Lewis -- have grown too comfortable and out of touch. He also drew a primary challenge from the Rev. Markel Hutchins, an Atlanta activist who attacked Lewis for going against the will of his constituents.

"The attitude is, 'I've been here, I've earned this right, leave me alone -- I get to do what I want.' Well, that's just not true," said James Rucker, founder of ColorOfChange.org, a 400,000-member group seeking to shake up the African American political status quo.

Rucker's group launched a petition drive last week to pressure Tubbs Jones and her pro-Clinton black caucus colleagues to support Obama as superdelegates at the convention. The signature tally was up to 18,000 late last week. "It will take courage and conviction for CBC members to break with back-room politics and stand up for democracy. But we must demand it," the pledge card reads.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:23:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I would say publicly calling the first and only... (none / 0)

Hispanic governor in this country's history a "Judas" is worse than any statement Jesse Jackson Jr. said.  And this was also not 6 months removed from when his father was calling out Obama for not speaking out on the Jena 6 (which Obama had done).  The arm-twisting has been both ways and female legislators have felt significant pressure to support potentially the first female president.  It's been a tough race, but that leaves no reason to air the words of a woman who is blind to the broader picture for the sake of a candidate.  I've said this before and I'll say it again; I will support the Democratic nominee, even if Clinton snatches victory from the jaws of defeat here, because we cannot accept another four years of this war.  This woman (Harriet) cries only for Clinton's perceived insults here and ignores the horrific situation our country is in and how much worse it will get with John McCain.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:53:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The threat of a primary challenge? (none / 0)

There's nothing corrupt about telling an elected official how you want them to vote. If you think there is, you haven't understood basic constitutional and democratic principles.

However, trying to bribe superdelegates seems to be to be something quite different -- as major Clinton donors have done.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:02:40 AM EST
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Re: The threat of a primary challenge? (none / 0)

There's nothing corrupt about telling SD's to vote this way or you'll get a primary challenge.  I was pointing out that the arm-twisting has gone both ways.

And bribes?  Hmm.  Do you have a link on that?  I have link for using leadership PAC's to curry favor in early voting states:

When Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) launched his presidential campaign in January, he stopped raising money for his Hopefund, the political action committee he used to raise millions for fellow Democrats in previous campaigns. But in recent months, Obama has handed out more than $180,000 from the nearly dormant PAC to local Democratic groups and candidates in the key early-voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, campaign reports show.

Some of the recipients of Hopefund's largess are state and local politicians who have recently endorsed Obama's presidential bid. Obama's PAC reported giving a $1,000 contribution, for instance, to New Hampshire state Sen. Jacalyn Cilley on July 25, six days before she announced she was endorsing Obama for president.

SNIP

Fundraising vehicles known as leadership PACs, which can raise money in much larger chunks than candidates can for their own campaigns, have been a frequent target for criticism by watchdog groups. They argue that leadership PACs allow candidates to skirt campaign contribution and donation limits.

Scott Thomas, a Democrat and a former FEC chairman, said "there's probably no doubt" the PAC donations were aimed at increasing support for Obama's presidential race. "But in my experience, the commission has not had the stomach to reach out and characterize those kinds of contributions as impermissible," Thomas said.

Kent Cooper, the FEC's retired chief of public disclosure, said the commission, if it chose, could declare that Obama's presidential campaign and PAC were "affiliated," meaning some activities involving the PAC could be declared in-kind contributions to the presidential campaign that would exceed current donation limits.

"At this stage of the race, for a presidential candidate, it is a brazen effort to use every avenue to influence an election," Cooper said. "I can't believe the Obama people can keep a straight face and claim these aren't part of the presidential race."

And here's another:

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign helped recommend several of the donations his political action committee made in recent months to politicians in key primary states as the campaign was working to secure endorsements, campaign officials said yesterday.

The acknowledgment alters the campaign's original account of how donations were directed and raised questions among some legal experts about whether the presidential committee was using Obama's leadership PAC to benefit his campaign. The Obama campaign said it is confident it complied with the law.

Obama's Hopefund Inc. distributed more than $180,000 in donations to political groups and candidates in the early presidential voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina and more than $150,000 to federal candidates in other states with primary dates through mid-February. The donations accounted for nearly three-quarters of the money the PAC has given out since this summer.

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Bauer said he is confident that the PAC and the campaign complied with rules the Federal Election Commission enacted in December 2003 governing how leadership PACs can operate when their candidate is running for office. "There's not even a remote question about whether this is legal," he said.

Campaign law experts, however, said they were less certain. They noted that the 2003 rules state that any leadership PAC expenditure coordinated with the politician's campaign should be treated as "in-kind contributions" subject to a limit of $5,000. The rules define a coordinated expense as any made in "cooperation or concert with or at the request or suggestion" of a campaign.

"I think this is something the commission should look at. If the money was, in fact, used to help the campaign, was requested by the campaign and coordinated with the campaign, then it could be considered an in-kind contribution," Lawrence Noble, the FEC's retired chief counsel, said.

Former FEC chairman Scott E. Thomas, a Democrat who served on the commission when the 2003 rule was approved, said the FEC at the time was focused more on how to keep PACs from subsidizing presidential campaigns by picking up the costs of polling, salary and other goods and services.

"He is clearly pushing the envelope, no doubt," Thomas said. "I would clearly recommend the commission take another look at this to see if there is some reasonable line that can be drawn so presidential campaigns aren't directing donations from the PAC a few months before the primaries."


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:27:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The threat of a primary challenge? (none / 0)

You are an admitted republican, why are you on this site?


I CAN HAZ BAHROCK DONASCHON?
by kasjogren on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:42:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The threat of a primary challenge? (none / 0)

GDI, that wasn't for you, but there were so many replies I can't figure out where it went now.  HA-HA, sorry about that.


I CAN HAZ BAHROCK DONASCHON?
by kasjogren on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The threat of a primary challenge? (none / 0)

See my comment, mis-reply


I CAN HAZ BAHROCK DONASCHON?
by kasjogren on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:44:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It's all good. (none / 0)

Obama will clench tonight, so we'll be on the same side in a few hours.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:15:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The threat of a primary challenge? (none / 0)

Uhm, on several occasions, like when Clinton donors tried to blackmail Nancy Pelosi into shutting up over how delegates should vote, or (and here's a good one) 200 Clinton supporters threatening to blackmail the Rules committee with a vote for the opposition if the Queen wasn't anointed.


by authority song on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:21:01 AM EST
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Re: The threat of a primary challenge? (none / 0)

So a handful of donors threatened to cut off money if Pelosi didn't stop pushing SD's to Obama?  Oh, that's way worse than threatening a elected officials with a primary challenge.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:32:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The threat of a primary challenge? (none / 0)

Uh, no, it's about the same. Its just funny that you accuse a candidate of twisting arms when his opponent came into the race with a triple-digit lead in party insider votes - you think they made that decision based on the issues?


by authority song on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:35:52 AM EST
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Re: The threat of a primary challenge? (none / 0)

I don't think they did it because they threatened to fund primary challenges.

They endorsed Hillary the same reason the SD's are now breaking for Obama.  They want to back the winner.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:16:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (none / 0)

Yeah, all those emails to the superdelegates are totally useful.

The novelty of famous suitors and media interviews long ago eroded into exhaustion, and now state Rep. Gilda Cobb-Hunter of South Carolina is just plain sick of all this. An undecided superdelegate to the Democratic National Convention in August, she opens her e-mail inbox each morning and deletes a handful of threatening notes sent by strangers. Campaign followers call her incessantly. She struggles to find time to run her own campaign for reelection.


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:56:30 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 8)

Come to think of it - one of the other videos included a woman who said something that really stuck with me...

I've been a Democrat for 40 years.

Those party bosses in there have given us 2 Democratic Presidents in all that time!

They really don't have a great track record - do they?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:57:13 PM EST

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 5)

100 of these party bosses endorsed Hillary before a single vote was cast.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:58:01 PM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 3)

Good point.

Besides which, if the RBC decision had gone differently, what would have been a viable path to the nomination based on the number of delegates necessary?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:00:10 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 3)

SO what's you're point?  Those were super delegates.  I'm talking about Dean, Pelosi et al, who seem intent on short-circuiting this process.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:16:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (1.85 / 7)

Why are you using racists to support your diaries, alegre?

And why won't you vote for Barack Obama as the nominee?

Answer my questions, and I'll be happy to answer your questions.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:17:26 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 1)

How is anyone shortcircuiting anything? The primaries are over on Tuesday.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:21:34 AM EST
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It's called uniting the party (none / 0)

Give Nancy Pelosi her cred as the strongest female in the Congress.

I don't recall Nancy using sex as a wedge issue to try and rile up women voters to get elected.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:56:25 AM EST
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Party bosses haven't had a say since 1968. (2.00 / 1)

40 years ago, McGovern-Fraser commission. When party bosses controlled most state delegations (no primaries/caucuses), the Democratic nominee tended to win most of the time.

The statement you are referencing reeks of ignorance.

It's the Democratic electorate who's been choosing losers (granted, that could be used as an argument against Obama, since the Democratic electorate chose him; but since this women is claiming Obama was chosen by the "party bosses," it actually bodes well for Obama)


by bobdoleisevil on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:11:43 AM EST
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Re: Party bosses haven't had a say since 1968. (2.00 / 1)

Maybe she means the primary voters are the party bosses. Or something.


by elrod on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:19:13 AM EST
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Re: Party bosses haven't had a say since 1968. (none / 0)

There's only one boss in my Democratic party:


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:58:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 1)

Yes, and Hillary Clinton was the party bosses' candidate of choice, like Kerry was in 2004.  Think of all the party bosses and leaders, mostly men, who backed Hillary before any votes were cast- Bill, McAuliffe, Ickes, Fowler, Carville, Schumer, Feinstein, Rendell, Bayh.  

Talk about an unfair race, Obama was already down 100 delegates even before the first votes were cast.    How is that democratic or fair or show that Obama was the party bosses' chosen candidate from the beginning?  


by ProfessorReo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:37:41 AM EST
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Re: Gee, I didn't know (none / 0)

That Dean and Pelosi have been party insiders for 40 years.  I thought that was a status that, you know, you had to work up to...oh silly me.


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:56:57 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 2)

After tomorrow, 'you' will be done choosing.  The supers will have decided it for Obama.  You can choose to sit out the Fall election or not.  I'm guessing that the vast majority of Clinton supports will vote for Obama this Fall.

One nominee has to be chosen over the other.  It was inevitable that one would lose.  Clinton lost.  That's all there is to it.  On to the next round.


by Lawyerish on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:57:50 PM EST

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 2)

So the convention in August... just one big party to coronate the king then?

Quick - tell the delegates!  No need to turn up because their ballot's have already been filled out for them.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:17:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (none / 0)

When was the last time the convention actually made a choice between nominees?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:22:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (none / 0)

1960.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:59:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Have you ever seen a convention? (2.00 / 2)

It is one big party to hype the nominee. That's literally it's purpose in modern politics... a giant infomercial for the candidate.

The voting is a formality.


by Tatan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:59:36 AM EST
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Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 1)

Yes, that's exactly what it represents.  4 days of free advertising for the Fall.  Not a place to fight out one's personal battles.


by Lawyerish on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:31:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 2)

Yes, it is one big party.  It's a celebration and kick-off to the general election race.  That's why most candidates get a huge bounce in the polls after the convention.  After 4 days of making the candidate sound like the next coming of FDR and JFK combined, how can one not?  

That's why everyone wants to avoid any floor fight or controversy, because that would totally destroy the party's ability to use the convention to create momentum and positive buzz about the nominee.  


by ProfessorReo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:42:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Once again, Alegre (none / 0)

Clinton will endorse Obama tonight or tomorrow, that's why she has summoned her supporters to New York.  She will do her best to unify the party and campaign hard for Obama, the nominee of the Democratic Party.  Hard as she and you have fought, you would do well to follow her example.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:27:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

She's really making the rounds (2.00 / 2)

She was just on Jon Stewart's show. Turns out she's his grandmother.

"I'm from Manhattan!"


by 79blondini on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:57:54 PM EST

Wouldn't she be Harriet Jewish then? (2.00 / 1)

Jon Stuart Leibovitz probably doesn't have a Christian grandmother.


by bobdoleisevil on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:12:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (1.53 / 13)

I cannot believe that you first posted something from that racist website NoQuarter and then had the nerve to defend this racist. I don't care how "calm" she is now, she is still a racist.

You are a disgrace allergy.


by sweet potato pie on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:58:30 PM EST

Re: Harriet Christian on Neil Cavuto's Show (2.00 / 1)

I find it ironic